White Lightnin'

Having seen the car in person at SITM up until about 2010 -she kept it in amazing shape. What happened since then I obviously wouldn't know. Driving it periodically and keeping it inside while stored probably would have been better, I agree.

Then again, nobody that knows even a little about 928's can expect a $10k example to be flawless.

I guess if he put "road rash on the front bumper" wouldn't have totally been up front either -unless he counted each stone chip to get an accurate total?

Brother!

JHowell37

I would expect a $10K S4 to run properly. It should start up and settle into an idle immediately without having to give it gas. I would expect to be able to use the automatic transmission as it is intended to be used. I would expect to be able to fill the gas tank all the way up.

It's not about expecting it to be flawless, it's about expecting full disclosure from the seller so the buyer can make a decision.

White Lightnin'

The seller more than likely discovered those issues on the way to meet the OP, as he was not the daily driver when it was allowed to sit. A broken fog/driving lens can happen on that drive too...


I don't think he really knew what he wanted until and only when seeing it in person. So you're both out a 3 hour drive -and then you didn't want it. Leave it there... or beat the dead horse some more.

And yet, this interior is over half burgandy. But the interior has to be immaculate for $10k?


With that going on, perhaps a 7th car in the family is premature... and perhaps the best reason NOT to buy it?

westija

Gee....hard to argue with this logic.
Seller has not disclosed the issues. He did not hold his side of the deal. Undisclosed issues are undisclosed issues, regardless of the car being old, being a 928, costing whatever to fix and all else.

White Lightnin'

That's why you get a PPI -each and every time on ANY old car.

There will always be something that comes up the owner knew nothing about... then it's time to bail (or offer half instead?) right?

slider172

Well, it's obvious that white lightning shares the same view as the seller . Let's keep that in mind if he ever has anything for sale.

White Lightnin'

No... I just know a nit-picky jackhole when I see one.

Here are pics of the same car -beautifully maintained by the daughter mind you- at a couple of SITM's (less than 9 years ago in all pics).

Huge wins for the asking price:
*12-way seats on both sides!
*Seat memory on both sides!
*Color-matched Porsche sport wheel!
*2-tone deviated extra-cost interior!
*Extra-cost (high) Cassis Red metallic paint!
*Polished manhole wheels!

Yes and absolutely for certain, there are things that need to be addressed -but look at the payoff in driving a highly optioned, rare colored 928!

You've done everything possible to defame the daughter, slander the seller, verbally abuse those that see a REAL diamond in the rough... all the while dipping into the standard bag of tricks that used car buyers utilize to muscle a lower price out of the seller.

And, if I ever do sell my 928 -I am fully aware of not getting what I have put into it and being no longer stock, it will have a limited market. I know that.

And, I also know the age-old practice on RL to beat up a car until the owner caves -and then brag about what a 'steal' they got.

Yeah, steal is right. And karma IS a bitch.

So, end this thread since you don't want the car -your abusive job is done here.

White Lightnin'

Just using the list he provided...

Don't forget there are many in this forum that have made their 928 better than it was new -and that's a reflection of their taste and abilities.

He wants a weekend toy that he doesn't have to turn a wrench on... figure it out.

tmpusfugit

I bought a 928 off eBay years ago with one bid (clue), without doing my homework and without asking the seller for details. His description was "needs battery" was just slightly off. The battery was in the car with the positive terminal of the battery connected to ground. The timing belt was broken (16V so no big deal maybe), the water pump shot. The photos of the car on eBay were taken when he bought it 5 years prior. The car sat behind his building in Houston for 5 years with the sun roof not in the home position. Short version of the story, both seats were trashed, headliner was badly warped, carpets shot, had to do the entire WP TB etc replacement, the exterior of the car was mold green, from mold...who would'a thought? . Had to redo a lot of the interior. i very much should have walked away...knowing what I know now, I would walk. But, like a complete fool I paid him and winched it on a trailer and proceeded. I had it on the road in a few weeks. It was not a bad car after about $4k in parts. When i sold it I calculated I lost less than $2000 on it, assuming of course my time was worth nothing. It was a good learning experience, most of what I learned was "don't do that again stupid!" The prior owner took a $10k+ hit on his car when I bought it He got it from one of the big time auction houses, and he didn't do his homework either.. it might be easy to think the OP on this thread was being overly critical in walking away, but there are at least 2 sides to every story...when in doubt...walk....

White Lightnin'

You're right Jim, of course.

But walking away is one thing. Throwing a temper tantrum & calling names after the fact -is totally different.

Walking away and saying the car just wasn't what he had hoped for would have been the mature thing to do.

We all see the path he chose to take.

Somebody will buy that car (maybe not from RL) and perform some elbow grease work and with minimal expense -will have a gem.

ChristianR

your not very bright and who the he11 are you to be saying the OP was wrong, etc

if the seller described the car as this and when the buyer got there and it was misrepresented than he has every right to walk away or make a lower offer, PERIOD. not one time has the OP said he wanted a $50k car for $10k but if the seller misrepresented than he had every right to leave.

also, you talking about the daughters car etc and how great it was when you saw it 10 years ago, seriously you need to pull your head out of your *** cause you have no right to judge the OP

Ducman82

Ya, i don't get ya White. the car may have been a "Gem" years ago but obviously has been neglected since then. when you are told one thing, and then shown another, a person has every right to be pissed. thats a lot of coin to **** away otherwise. The sell obviously knew the car had issues and did not disclose them or just brushed it off as "its an old car" problems. sure, he could have haggled and picked up this "deal" of a car and dumped money at time in to it, which he does not want to do, so he walked. he wasted 6 hours of his live driving out to get a car that was lied about.

docmirror

Take your own advice before advising others:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ent.html?rt=nc

Purchase Conditions

When buying an item, you agree to the rules for buyers and that:
You are responsible for reading the full item listing before making a bid or commitment to buy.
You enter into a legally binding contract to purchase an item when you commit to buy an item or if you have the winning bid (or your bid is otherwise accepted).
For motor vehicles and real estate, a bid or offer initiates a non-binding transaction representing a buyer's serious expression of interest in buying the seller's item and does not create a formal contract between the buyer and the seller.

docmirror

OBTW, if that is a Cassisrot, and it is still offered for sale, and it's not demolished, I'd like to get the contact info please. By PM if you like.

White Lightnin'

I plan to follow up on this with a visit in person... along with a couple of other 928 owners that have either completed or are in the process of restoring 928s -in addition to myself doing so.

I will gladly provide an update.

However, the 'judgement' that I have expressed toward the OP is merely -let it go. You didn't like it & that is that. Why bitch -n- moan when the seller was out the same 3+ hour drive... you both lost. Period.

It reminds me of when I was thinking about selling a '71 Charger R/T... non original motor, LOTS of new & used parts to go with it. Receipts for $2k in new parts (still in boxes) and another consevative $2k in used parts... plus the car.

I meet a guy at a major car show (Auto Fair) in Charlotte & tell him about the car. He appears interested so I offer to meet him and show him the car. Granted, I really didn't want to sell it -nor was I desperate to sell.

So, he shows up with a trailer and I show him the car (dirty, flat tires, but complete) and the garage full of parts.

He offers $1500.

I said, "Well what about all the new and used parts?"

He said that the offer includes them. (!?!)

I replied, "GET THE F**K OFF MY PROPERTY!"

I know the type that wants something for nothing and expects the seller to be desperate -or why have it for sale?

Doc, yes it is Cassisrot. I (we) plan to offer advice and assistance to the seller to properly clean, repair & display the car to sell. I will also review the 10 years of maintenance records -especially the tb/wp job. I have already made some basic recommendations to the seller that are specific to 928s -and used cars in general. I will keep you informed.