ROG100

Stan - Absolutely and the better the condition the higher the price.

Hilton

Definitely.

To maximise that value, it would also need to come with stock wheels, brake calipers (with factory black finish), mirrors, and other stock bits (stereo, amplifier etc.), so if you don't have them in a cupboard at home, I'd start picking them up quietly.

I don't see it as being that special TBH - a few hundred made, with poorer performance than both the US 86.5 and the Euro 16V, and RHD as well (which hurts value). I think the low-compression '86 model probably falls below the '80-83 CIS 16V 928s in collectability.

christiandk

Well, the Weissach edition really just is a car with a special color scheme - not that desirable, imo. Compare it to the 1975 911 aniversary. Just marketing models, really.

You are lucky that you favor auto cars as an avid buyer - so much more common.

I just love that funky cool dog leg box of my 78. Each to his own Si guess.

James Bailey

Actually who really cares what they "might " be worth in the future ??? rather pointless and way too hard to predict. All we KNOW is early 911s are bringing stupid money right now but will they go down or up ??? will 928 prices follow ??
If you buy 928s as an investment you very likely will be wrong.... but what do I know I sold my 68 911 with an RSR style mechanical injector 2.8 motor for $12,500 or the XKE 1964 roadster for $3,500
we pretty much only talk about collectible status when trying to justify the expenses to the wife

NoVector

Curious where you would rank an 82 automatic?

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...of-blue82.html

Personally, I'd rank it in the "I'd give my right nut" category.

danglerb

I see three factors mainly impacting value at the top of the range, condition, miles, and special appeal. Model year only dominates value in non 10/10 over 30k mile cars with no special appeal.

ROG100

This tells me you do not know much about 928's 8>) Read Hilton's analysis (Section 3) - he is spot on!!!

ROG100

I agree on the low compression models shipped to Australia and also sold in Switzerland, however there were plenty sold that are the equivalent of the 86.5 USA S3 with the same engines - not low compression.

christiandk

Well, good for you, Einstein

Sweeden also got the low comp 86.

@Hilton, Kermit is an auto without the books, but still pristine. If I were a colletor I would have a problem with the missing docs.

marks gt

Great thread!!! I have been waiting for one like this.

Whats the ratio of original vs restored value?

What mods kill the value?

christiandk

All mods kill the value, unless we are talking about recommended mechanical upgrades, imo.

928cs

Every irreversible modification will kill the value.
That is why I always advise to keep the original parts when doing a modification, and to not modify the body.

By the way, I'm in touch with big Porsche collectors now and when it comes to a 928, they focus on CS, then '95 GTS.

Hilton

The "Einstein" comment came across as rude - perhaps not your intent, given English may not be your most comfortable language?

Sweden didn't get the low-compression 32V engine in '86, which is the one Roger is referring to. M28.45 and M28.46. It was only sold in Switzerland, Australia and Germany. I suspect you're thinking of the M28.21/22 16V engines, where some countries including Australia and Sweden, got lower compression? (they got the early 928S pistons - which were also used in the early part of '84 model year).

Agree Kermit isn't as nice as it could be - in the absence of history, ChuckZ worked hard to create a story by showing it a lot and prepping the heck out of it. Hats off to him, he put in a lot of work to extract as much value as he could possibly get. That benchmark will get beaten by early manuals - we just haven't seen a sale of a good one yet in recent times, hence my mention of Blumax which is one of the nicest early cars I've seen pics of.

I disagree with this - multiple manual GTS have fetched >$100k. Or to put it another way, double the value of ultra-low-miles '82 and '78 "unicorn" cars. Looking at the 911 market, rarity drives value more than mileage. e.g. 3.6 Turbo 964 values. In the case of the 928, with the falling sales over the 18 years of sales, the later a car is, the rarer it is, which means that for the 928, model year plays a very important part. With only 84 manual '95 GTS in the world, they'll come a close second to the 17 Clubsport models for collectability.

Another oddity of Porsche collecting, is that many Porsche owners want to be seen driving their cars to prove they're "car guys". People expect Porsches to be driven, or, put another way, aren't put off by mileage (within reason). At least one of the ~$100k GTS' had 40k miles. So IMO, for Porsches, and 928's:

Rarity > Condition (cosmetics/mechanicals, originality and history) > Mileage

And back onto the early cars. Here's a couple of interesting early 928's for sale in Germany:

$35k Euros - '78

This one is in good condition and has a lot of history, plus an unusual interior fabric. If this was presented better (more pics, studio quality photos and lighting, good detail, removal of aftermarket stuff like floor mats), it would likely sell quickly, for more than that price.

$6.5k euros - 78

The cheap one is really interesting. Its either had a re-trim in Porsche fabric and used to be Pascha, or its in great condition and an owner put in Pascha door inserts because Pascha. Regardless, its a very early car from '77, as seen by the dash vent, door vents and chrome rear quarter trim.

christiandk

Hilton,

I did not mean to be rude, just "Witty" but as you imply English ist not my first language.

Thanks for the info on the Sweden version...compression wise. Funny regulatory stuff!

I did see the ad for the blue 78 in Munich. Looks nice. I bet that my "Toad" is a notch or two nicer. But as you say. It is only pictures.

I have lately been getting "cold calls" from collectors I know in Germany who want to buy Toad - but I wont part with him. Have been looking for years and years. Lindengrun/lime green with manual transmission in this condition. Probably only one in the world.

Here are a few pics prior to my ownership. He looks much better now

Have a nice weekend all!

christiandk

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