Article: the best porsche that was never built
10-26-2014, 06:06 PM
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His other articles about 944s are also interesting; http://exclusive.multibriefs.com/author/jason-gonzalez
10-27-2014, 12:12 AM
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Excuse my ignorance, but isn't he basically describing a 924 GTP? From what I've read its engine was the prototype for the 944. Not really sure what the other differences would be.
10-27-2014, 02:49 AM
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of course they built it.
it's called a Porsche 968 Turbo S. or RS.
since you can build a good 944 or 968 with a mild 3.0 turbo engine and put on some nice parts within his fifty thousand dollar budget....
it's called a Porsche 968 Turbo S. or RS.
since you can build a good 944 or 968 with a mild 3.0 turbo engine and put on some nice parts within his fifty thousand dollar budget....
10-28-2014, 08:47 AM
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They never built a 944 Carrera GTS because it would be a downgrade from the best. The PORSCHE 924 Carrera GTS. Plenty of power(245 to 285HP), solid and reliable 2.0L engine, great body, cheaper and easyer to maintain than any 944/68 engine..and faster than many 911s?
Yes there is the GREAT 968 Turbo RS, an even faster car, but in my opinion not quite as pretty as the 924 and ofcourse MUCH more expensive to maintain.
If one would get over the "van engine" sindrome one could enjoy a great piece of PORSCHE engineering called 924 Carrera GTS.
It really is the best of all worlds, low tax and good mileage, loads of power on light body, looks just right.
Yes there is the GREAT 968 Turbo RS, an even faster car, but in my opinion not quite as pretty as the 924 and ofcourse MUCH more expensive to maintain.
If one would get over the "van engine" sindrome one could enjoy a great piece of PORSCHE engineering called 924 Carrera GTS.
It really is the best of all worlds, low tax and good mileage, loads of power on light body, looks just right.
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10-29-2014, 11:00 PM
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They could have built something like my car from a few years ago. A sort of CS version of the 944 turbo. Also a pity they never built a turbo 16v motor for general consumption.
The 924 turbos suffered with turbocharger failure and they never really punched out quite enough power. The GT's and GTS versions were obviously a little more sprightly although I'd prefer more power than what they made. Be fun to make a 'copy' with the bodywork but build a better engine.
The advantage of the 2ltr block is that it's solid Iron vs forged Alu with floating cylinders of the 944 block. You could build something pretty trick to run significant boost with that little Iron block.
The 924 turbos suffered with turbocharger failure and they never really punched out quite enough power. The GT's and GTS versions were obviously a little more sprightly although I'd prefer more power than what they made. Be fun to make a 'copy' with the bodywork but build a better engine.
The advantage of the 2ltr block is that it's solid Iron vs forged Alu with floating cylinders of the 944 block. You could build something pretty trick to run significant boost with that little Iron block.
10-30-2014, 02:23 AM
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10-30-2014, 05:47 AM
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Not trying to get into a debate here, the new lumps have their thing but the old ones do just as well.
I'm using a FMIC like the GTS does because I'm also using a bigger turbo and I run more boost (1-1.1bar)
10-30-2014, 09:12 AM
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Morghen....
those are nice cars, and if you're comparing that car to any 924/924S/944/944S, that's fine..... but there's no way that thing is going to keep up with a well-tuned 944T or 3.0 liter..... in pure driving physics, this platform requires at least 380~400 hp at the wheels to get near to equilibrium with cars handling, chassis and aerodynamics.....
unfortunately, if we're honest. there are very few Porsche powerplants available for this car that achieve this.
Duke's 968 achieves this. but, it's running OVER the limit for a daily car.
the author is talking about the 924/944/968 window.... compare a tuned Toyota/Datsun/Nissan I-6 platform
from the same time period; it'll beat the 924/944 platform – at least in a straight line.
i want to go around a turn at 45 mph and be able to get the wheels to break free (with power to spare) –
just like the ******** on Top Gear.
the cars you're talking about are down at least 100~150 hp from that point....
again, nice cars.... and in the context of the late '70s/early '80s, even more so....
but, invoking the hopped up Scirocco argument here – is invalid.
those are nice cars, and if you're comparing that car to any 924/924S/944/944S, that's fine..... but there's no way that thing is going to keep up with a well-tuned 944T or 3.0 liter..... in pure driving physics, this platform requires at least 380~400 hp at the wheels to get near to equilibrium with cars handling, chassis and aerodynamics.....
unfortunately, if we're honest. there are very few Porsche powerplants available for this car that achieve this.
Duke's 968 achieves this. but, it's running OVER the limit for a daily car.
the author is talking about the 924/944/968 window.... compare a tuned Toyota/Datsun/Nissan I-6 platform
from the same time period; it'll beat the 924/944 platform – at least in a straight line.
i want to go around a turn at 45 mph and be able to get the wheels to break free (with power to spare) –
just like the ******** on Top Gear.
the cars you're talking about are down at least 100~150 hp from that point....
again, nice cars.... and in the context of the late '70s/early '80s, even more so....
but, invoking the hopped up Scirocco argument here – is invalid.
Originally Posted by Jason Gonzalez
Someone had posed a question about what "your dream 924/944/968" would be.
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10-30-2014, 09:34 AM
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That coolant reservoir is sexy. Where can I get one?
10-30-2014, 10:19 AM
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odurandina....I agree with you, they are all very nice cars in the corect context....but remember that the 944T/968 are @200kg heavier and put out less or the same power.
Morghen....
those are nice cars, and if you're comparing that car to any 924/924S/944/944S, that's fine..... but there's no way that thing is going to keep up with a well-tuned 944T or 3.0 liter..... in in pure driving physics, this platform requires at least 380~400 hp at the wheels to get near to equilibrium with cars handling, chassis and aerodynamics.....
unfortunately, if were honest. there are very few Porsche powerplants that achieve this.
Duke's 968 achieves this. but, it's running near the limit.
the author is talking about the 924/944/968 window.... compare a tuned Toyota/Datsun/Nissan I-6 platform from the same time period....
it'll give the 924/944 platform somewhat of an ***-kicking – at least in a straight line.
i want to go around a turn at 45 mph and be able to get the wheels to break free (with power to spare) –
just like the ******** on Top Gear.
the cars you're talking about are down at least 100~150 hp, in that regard....
again, it's a nice car.... and in the context of the late '70s/early '80s, even more so....
but, invoking the hopped up Scirocco argument here – is invalid.
those are nice cars, and if you're comparing that car to any 924/924S/944/944S, that's fine..... but there's no way that thing is going to keep up with a well-tuned 944T or 3.0 liter..... in in pure driving physics, this platform requires at least 380~400 hp at the wheels to get near to equilibrium with cars handling, chassis and aerodynamics.....
unfortunately, if were honest. there are very few Porsche powerplants that achieve this.
Duke's 968 achieves this. but, it's running near the limit.
the author is talking about the 924/944/968 window.... compare a tuned Toyota/Datsun/Nissan I-6 platform from the same time period....
it'll give the 924/944 platform somewhat of an ***-kicking – at least in a straight line.
i want to go around a turn at 45 mph and be able to get the wheels to break free (with power to spare) –
just like the ******** on Top Gear.
the cars you're talking about are down at least 100~150 hp, in that regard....
again, it's a nice car.... and in the context of the late '70s/early '80s, even more so....
but, invoking the hopped up Scirocco argument here – is invalid.
10-30-2014, 12:00 PM
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I found this video this morning that gives a glimpse into the Porsche concept garage.
He doesn't discuss any front engine cars but there are a few shots of some interesting front engine concepts and one race car.
He doesn't discuss any front engine cars but there are a few shots of some interesting front engine concepts and one race car.