View Poll Results: would you like to get a rear-engine Cayman/Boxster or 911 as your next P-car?
i hate the early water-cooled 911s.
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i would love to get a Cayman, Boxter, 993, 6 or 7 some day.
92
64.79%
already got one !
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23.24%
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how much money do you have in your car ??
02-07-2014, 07:23 AM
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I am not trying to build the car, I am trying to build myself and a shop with all the tools in which I can do stuff for cash, beside day time job. And I am trying to learn as much engineering stuff in process as I can. It is really wonderful how every small detail can be exploited to the extents I never thought possible.
If the objective would be only to get that engine in my car, that would happen a long time ago, but I have other piston driven toys/projects (71 harley, 00 ducati, 79 15ft 50hp boat, 98 bmw 528i, 02 1.6 A3 audi) , that are up and running and just don't have time, cash, need or will to commit 100% to 944 project. That is changing now, since it really lasts forever, and in 2015 944 will be 30 years old and that brings all kind of appreciation in our laws, so it becomes full fledged old timer and with that status, yearly registration is almost free. (95% cheaper)
It is a bumpy road all in all, mainly because I changed plan 100 times by now, but I do not want to whine about it. It in the end is porsche and having the honor and opportunity to build one with my own hands is more bliss than a burden to me. Also it is not something I am alone in, people wrote books about rebuilding porsches. Gold plated porsche for instance.
It doesn't help that my role model is Crazy Eddie neither.
His engine bay: https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...y-p1090616.jpg
No hard feelings, I need criticism it is a effective cure against my laziness
This is my recent boat project and it is finished together with skipper certification for up to 24 meter long boats. Waiting for winter to end..
If the objective would be only to get that engine in my car, that would happen a long time ago, but I have other piston driven toys/projects (71 harley, 00 ducati, 79 15ft 50hp boat, 98 bmw 528i, 02 1.6 A3 audi) , that are up and running and just don't have time, cash, need or will to commit 100% to 944 project. That is changing now, since it really lasts forever, and in 2015 944 will be 30 years old and that brings all kind of appreciation in our laws, so it becomes full fledged old timer and with that status, yearly registration is almost free. (95% cheaper)
It is a bumpy road all in all, mainly because I changed plan 100 times by now, but I do not want to whine about it. It in the end is porsche and having the honor and opportunity to build one with my own hands is more bliss than a burden to me. Also it is not something I am alone in, people wrote books about rebuilding porsches. Gold plated porsche for instance.
It doesn't help that my role model is Crazy Eddie neither.
His engine bay: https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...y-p1090616.jpgNo hard feelings, I need criticism it is a effective cure against my laziness
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02-07-2014, 10:31 AM
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good stuff. I know doing all your projects can't be easy in that terrible economy.
and then there's all that spectacular Slovenian/Slovakian ***** you have
in the area to distract you.....
i've admired Eddie's high-risk/high-reward screamer for a long time.
I could never deal with having a machine like that.
I'd be waiting for the explosion every time I turned the key
.
and then there's all that spectacular Slovenian/Slovakian ***** you have
in the area to distract you.....
i've admired Eddie's high-risk/high-reward screamer for a long time.
I could never deal with having a machine like that.
I'd be waiting for the explosion every time I turned the key
.
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02-07-2014, 11:24 AM
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Well it was $5500 for the initial investment and I would say I have sunk probably about $1,200 into it so far. Got another $1500 going into it shortly though. Will be using the tax return to do the belts, rollers, waterpump, clutch, swap the transmission clutch, and the CV axles depending on how the ones in the car look.
02-07-2014, 12:25 PM
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968 or 928??
https://rennlist.com/forums/968-foru...28-thread.html
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https://rennlist.com/forums/968-foru...28-thread.html
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I've had the pleasure of driving both.
the 968 isn't just a superior car, but the far-superior car imo. not only because of what it is...
but the potential.. the car begins with precise handling and astonishing grip, but
change to really fat wheels and tires, and it's Mardi Gras....
but, before too long, you're wondering what it would be like to have more power.
the factory engine is good, but, after just a few turns, this thing is teasing you about what a
proper supercar feels like... but, it doesn't whisper about needing more power; it screams it.
many owners wrestle with what to do about this state of affairs... but, realistic options are few. a turbo or v8 looks like
one of the best cars you could drive; and the feeling of a 968 blessed with enough power must be–sublime.
unfortunately, it takes a tremendous effort to get it.... especially, compared to the price of the factory kit roller.
the few who do know what the 968's potential truly feels like, are somewhat reserved to say. they just grin.
people consider upgrading the power-plant, weigh the options... but often, move on to fast, ready-made cars.
who knows, maybe the driver of the next R8 or Aston Martin you see once had a 944 or 968.
the other car is heavy, but has some fine points. it has a nice ride on the highway. or even a smooth
country road. it's solid. but even with the symphonic 32-valves, the 928's most dominant feature
isn't with some part of the car, or the sum of it's parts – but rather, the costs to keep it on the road.
and instead of leaving the third-generation owner (of moderate means) without a second thought about what
to bring on the next long trip, the car that's going, most likely will be the other P-car in the garage – the 968.
the 968 isn't just a superior car, but the far-superior car imo. not only because of what it is...
but the potential.. the car begins with precise handling and astonishing grip, but
change to really fat wheels and tires, and it's Mardi Gras....
but, before too long, you're wondering what it would be like to have more power.
the factory engine is good, but, after just a few turns, this thing is teasing you about what a
proper supercar feels like... but, it doesn't whisper about needing more power; it screams it.
many owners wrestle with what to do about this state of affairs... but, realistic options are few. a turbo or v8 looks like
one of the best cars you could drive; and the feeling of a 968 blessed with enough power must be–sublime.
unfortunately, it takes a tremendous effort to get it.... especially, compared to the price of the factory kit roller.
the few who do know what the 968's potential truly feels like, are somewhat reserved to say. they just grin.
people consider upgrading the power-plant, weigh the options... but often, move on to fast, ready-made cars.
who knows, maybe the driver of the next R8 or Aston Martin you see once had a 944 or 968.
the other car is heavy, but has some fine points. it has a nice ride on the highway. or even a smooth
country road. it's solid. but even with the symphonic 32-valves, the 928's most dominant feature
isn't with some part of the car, or the sum of it's parts – but rather, the costs to keep it on the road.
and instead of leaving the third-generation owner (of moderate means) without a second thought about what
to bring on the next long trip, the car that's going, most likely will be the other P-car in the garage – the 968.
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02-07-2014, 07:45 PM
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good stuff. I know doing all your projects can't be easy in that terrible economy.
and then there's all that spectacular Slovenian/Slovakian ***** you have
in the area to distract you.....
i've admired Eddie's high-risk/high-reward screamer for a long time.
I could never deal with having a machine like that.
I'd be waiting for the explosion every time I turned the key
.
and then there's all that spectacular Slovenian/Slovakian ***** you have
in the area to distract you.....
i've admired Eddie's high-risk/high-reward screamer for a long time.
I could never deal with having a machine like that.
I'd be waiting for the explosion every time I turned the key
.
Slovenian girls are beautiful and so are Slovakian, but I have mine that is the most beautiful of them all, she also distracts me the most
Otherwise she is supportive to some extent and thinks all parts are almost free. So far so good. 
I recently decided I will make big valve 3.0 turbo instead and already got block and crank delivered. The only major components I need atm are 104.5 turbo 8v pistons and quality stanalone, then the engine will be together in one weekend.
As far as the engines you mention go, here all kinds of american V8 are extremely rare and prices reflect that. The most bang for buck engine option here is audi i5 turbo or various bmw powerplants. I can get old magnum p.i. style V8 ferrari from italy probably cheaper than old corvette here. +/- 15K€
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03-26-2015, 08:02 PM
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03-29-2015, 12:06 AM
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Ignoring the obvious baiting Od, I gotta' say the question is a little too open to really be meaningful. Have I already spent more on my 944 than I would buying a stripped down first gen. water cooled 911? Not quite yet, but it's only been a few months and if you're using $16K as an example entry level price, I've already passed it. I saw one on eBay today while I was considering the question, a 996 TT asking $25K (it was also an auto), but just putting a manual transmission with an LSD in it would be another $5K for parts and stuff like that adds up pretty quick. I put an LSD in my AOS transmission for $1200. Big difference.
How much would it cost you to buy that dog 996 and turn it into a high performance car? Not really comparing the same things. For $30 to $40K I can turn a 944 into a car that will eat stock 996s alive. To build a 996 that beats a well prepared 944? You can drop some serious change. and still not get a car that's much more capable. Besides, I've never liked 911s.
It isn't really about hp, if it was we'd all be driving more contemporary cars. It's not about the money though either; most of us own more than one of these things, I've got three and I notice I'm not alone. It's about what you like doing. Personally I'm with Voith, I enjoy building them and I'd be happy if I never finished any of them, which is good since I doubt I ever will.
It's not the destination that's important you know...
How much would it cost you to buy that dog 996 and turn it into a high performance car? Not really comparing the same things. For $30 to $40K I can turn a 944 into a car that will eat stock 996s alive. To build a 996 that beats a well prepared 944? You can drop some serious change. and still not get a car that's much more capable. Besides, I've never liked 911s.
It isn't really about hp, if it was we'd all be driving more contemporary cars. It's not about the money though either; most of us own more than one of these things, I've got three and I notice I'm not alone. It's about what you like doing. Personally I'm with Voith, I enjoy building them and I'd be happy if I never finished any of them, which is good since I doubt I ever will.
It's not the destination that's important you know...
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04-14-2015, 12:26 AM
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First 944 ( bought new in '84 ) 27,800.00 initial cost, total today add another 5,~
second: '82 bought 10 yrs ago - 7,150.00 , total add another 500
third: '84 bought 9 years ago - 1800.00, total add another 3,000
fourth: '84 'Delete Special' bought 9 years ago - 1800.00, add nothing
fifth: '88 Jubilee/Celebration bought 8 years ago - 7,000.00 , add nothing
sixth: 85.2 bought 6 years ago - 500.00, add 600
seventh: '89 Turbo bought 3 years ago - 15,000 , add nothing
yeah, there is a few more but they were all cheap and altho running, they are all slated for more thorough thoughts.
Still own them all ....... slightly addicted to these things called Porsches
second: '82 bought 10 yrs ago - 7,150.00 , total add another 500
third: '84 bought 9 years ago - 1800.00, total add another 3,000
fourth: '84 'Delete Special' bought 9 years ago - 1800.00, add nothing
fifth: '88 Jubilee/Celebration bought 8 years ago - 7,000.00 , add nothing
sixth: 85.2 bought 6 years ago - 500.00, add 600
seventh: '89 Turbo bought 3 years ago - 15,000 , add nothing
yeah, there is a few more but they were all cheap and altho running, they are all slated for more thorough thoughts.
Still own them all ....... slightly addicted to these things called Porsches
11-11-2016, 12:24 AM
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I am probably in for 75k. I got 2 turbo's and am looking for a good S2/968 for a weekend driver. To be honest, its going to be my last 944. I am just hobbied out with them. Parts are getting harder to find, they are becoming rarer and its harder to find good ones. I'll never sell them because I have an affection for the car, but you have to be realistic about the business case for parts suppliers. Its a low production 40 year old car, that will never be a classic in the true sense. My first 951 has 350hp, which makes it a bear to drive sometimes. My second 951 has 9k miles on it. I'll probably but that one up on blocks. Time to move on to 911's. I would never own a 996, air cooled are ridiculously overpriced, so I am waiting for 991's to come down a little bit more.
11-19-2016, 08:13 PM
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They started with the 997 front nose upgrade, which, although wasn't a perfectly clean bolt-on, it completely transformed the car.
Then, they installed a crate LS3. To be honest i'm not crazy about putting V8's in 911s ....especially since you can put in a non-IMS GT3 engine in for not much more money.
When they finished, Aaron raced the v8 against Richard's new 911TT and lost – though not by much.
http://www.drivingline.com/articles/...rednecks-ride/
11-20-2016, 12:09 AM
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On my 944, I'm not doing to bad. But if I count all the money I put into my projects over the years, I'm not sure I want to know...then again, I made enough money when I sold my 1969 Shelby GT350 to cover most of the money I threw at my assorted projects, so I really can't complain.
