cityguy

Damage ? Huh? I am just a stickler for accuracy. I am not confrontational unless testi-lying.

On the contrary I was called a troll because I state facts. That is not very Porsche community like.

For the record I am happy whether on not you agree. I have not seen one scintilla of proof that I am wrong.

It just sounds like ---> <sneery voice> I have a Nine-Thir-Tay </sneery voice> by those who will not listen to the facts and the history of the car.

cityguy

No damage here. I have been insulted but did not stoop to that level. I just commented on that slight.

The fact are the facts. Some here profess to have a 930 and they do not. They do not because Porsche renamed the car from 1980 on to 911 Turbo. Somebody please read the pdf posted here three times which explains this.

I will scan the original document from Porsche Ing. showing my car as a 911Turbo, just post your email.

The argument so frequently stated here that the VIN is the name of the car is lame. The VIN is the VIN. The VIN is not the name of this car.

The argument the Goldman and Sloan cannot make a mistake in an ad is foolish and they might just be playing to those of you who like to think that their 911 Turbos are 930 cars when after 1980 they are not. (the 930S Euro slope being the exception). 930 cars were from 1975 to 1979. I had two. Yes they were named 930, model 930.

cityguy

Confession time.

But first a litle background. I have owned several iterations of every 911 save a 991.

Further on that, I too liked the sound and exclusivity of 930. I had owned two. I bought a 1984 Euro car that has to be federalized. It is the one I mentioned that came from Porsche Ing naming it a 911 Turbo.

I had to bring the car after modification for VIN accuracy and the MSP Trooper bud filled out the form and gave it to me to finish so I could register and title.

In the space where I should have put in 911 Turbo I wrote 930. Presto I have a 930...title and all. < I know hangs head with same - but the statute has run >

Don't let your egos and your like of the "Nine-Thir-Tay" sound convince you despite all the smoke and mirror VIN talk that you have a 930. If it is after 1980 you have a 911 Turbo despite any fudging.

Note: My conscience got the best of me and I amended the title.

My 1984 is a..............911 Turbo.

automan9's 1989 is a 911 Turbo.

wormman

1976 to 1979's are 930's the rest are 911 Turbo's at least in the USA....there you have it!

cityguy

Is there an echo in here? Where have I heard that before?

Thank you. That is exactly correct!...and what I have been saying all along.

speednme

No not correct..they are all 911 Turbo's type 930. Exactly as the factory designated them. You and I can go on forever but one can't argue with the factory. Your entitled to your opinion, but it is certainly not a fact. Yes they marketed the 911 Turbo by using their type designation in the US. That does not mean that the factory dropped the 911 Turbo title. One can take a turd and call it digestive excrement...you know what...it's still a turd! Plenty of 911 Turbo history on the net and library...you may want to read up...now back to what you do best..

Duke'sTurbo

I own a 1988 911 turbo. Im proud to call it a 911 turbo and would NEVER dream of referring to it as a 930. It is a 911 turbo!

cityguy

Thanks. Yes you are correct Porsche did not drop that title/name, in fact that is what a 911 with a turbo charger is called by, and titled from when sold by Porsche Ing; since 1980.

Yessir. They are 911 Turbos...again, since 1980.

cityguy

Thank you. Indeed it is.

Why anyone wants to refer to a name that has not been used by Porsche Ing since 1980 is beyond me.

Oh ya, it is that exclusive mystical sound of Nine-Thir-Tay

Ah drives a nine-thir-tay, cause ah likes the sound of Nine-Thir-Tay. Ah is special!

You bet yours is a 911 Turbo.

speednme

No! They were called 911 Turbo(or Turbo Carrera for 76-77) since their inception in 1975. They had the internal type 930. Marketed in the US as a 930(their internal type number). The FACTORY continued to use the type 930 designation all the way through 1989. So anyone who refers to their 911 Turbo between 1975-89 as a 930 is not wrong. Your opinion(which is what it is) is not factual. A simple search could turn up many articles on this same subject. You refused to see the facts because you feel a need to be correct. Their is no right or wrong.....just facts

cityguy

I agree for 1975-1979.


Not after 1980 as the name. Just the internal code was 930 - hardly the name of the car. Why don't read that informative PDF here. - Factual


Yes they and you are. Stop being so obtuse and give some facts instead of opinions. Ya'll love having a Nine -Thir-Tay and love saying it. Good but you don't.
You can refer to a 911 Turbo as anything want, but Porsche Ing marketed and sold it as a 911 Turbo since 1980. You want a four page copy of the original German paper work on my 1984. The only mention of 930 is a 93 in the VIN followed down stream by a few zeros. - Factual

My opinion is a fact after reading what Porsche Ing has to say on this subject.

Periodicals are wrong and not based on anything that goes back to Porsche Ing if they agree with 1980 and beyond 911 Turbos were being sold as 930 cars. If and when you can quote one I do not care. I rely on the source - the manufacturer.

People who refuse to listen to Porsche Ing. are wrong. Porsche Ing. calls the car a 911 Turbo. Good enough for me. You can rely on someone other than the manufacturer if you want, for that perceived prestigious sound of Nine-Thir-Tay but after 1980 they are all 911 Turbo cars

speednme

Obtuse? you arrogant mister know-it-all..I guess Porsche is wrong too
this is from Porsche's website..read on if you can if not then you can try Hooked on Phonics..that should get you through..


40 years of the Porsche 911 Turbo
Fast, sporty, comfortable – and unique
In 1973 at the International Motor Show (IAA) in Frankfurt, a silver car was on display that
attracted considerable attention. On its trunk lid was an audacious rear wing perforated
with air slots and framed by a thick rubber lip. The vehicle was reminiscent of the 911
Carrera RS 3.0, which had just come onto the market, but the badges on the rear fenders
made it clear that this was an entirely different model: “Turbo” was the word that would
from that point forward captivate the sports car world.
What lay behind the prominent rear wing gave even veteran Porsche drivers pause: a turbo -
charged 3.0 liter flat-six engine with 260 hp, capable of 250 km/h (155 mph). The Porsche
911 Turbo was thus the fastest German street sports car and triggered newfound enthusiasm
for turbocharged engines.
Though the Turbo was only a prototype, the decision had already been made to bring it to
market the following year. This was a bold move: although turbocharged engines were not
unusual in racing by that point, only one carmaker had attempted turbocharging for a street
car, and failed miserably. Drivability, durability, and linearity had all been turbo shortcomings
in street cars – the turbo engine was considered too wild to be tamed.
The fundamental idea: a race car for the streets
Porsche engineers knew how to solve the shortcomings associated with turbocharged
street engines. A short production run was planned for street legal vehicles derived directly
from motorsports. The GT motorsport regulations of those times prescribed the construc -
tion of 400 units, and Porsche could not sell so many vehicles to race car drivers. There -
fore, it was decided that the racing vehicle would be made street legal with just a few com -
promises in comfort. The turbo engine was specified from the start. Porsche had already
gained experience with turbocharging technology from the twelve-cylinder engines of the
legendary “917/10” and “917/30” race cars with up to 1200 hp. As well, the two-liter,
130 hp 911 engine from 1963 was no longer turbocharged but had enough potential for
further power increases to be victorious in motorsport.
40 years of the Porsche 911 Turbo 17
Porsche overcame some disadvantages of turbocharging by regulating boost pressure via
an exhaust bypass valve, a technique that had only been used in motorsports. This vastly
improved drivability at lower engine speeds, ensuring linear power and torque curves that
avoided surges and gaps in acceleration. As well, this control system increased boost and
torque and low engine speeds. To ensure equally high-performance braking, Porsche called
upon its extensive motorsport experience and installed internally-vented disc brakes with
aluminium brake calipers behind the wheels, which had originally delivered excellent braking
in the Porsche 917 race car.
At first, plans called for 400 units – then 1,000 – of the 911 Turbo 3.0. This was way offtarget
as, by 1977, a total of 2,876 units of the 911 Turbo 3.0 had been built. The car was
luxuriously equipped for the times and included factory-installed electric windows and a
stereo cassette radio.
1977: Porsche Turbo reaches milestone power of 300 hp
When delivery of the Porsche 911 Turbo began in early 1975, no one believed that there
would be demand for even more power. Yet there was, and Porsche obliged in 1977 with
the 911 Turbo 3.3, whose larger engine produced 300 hp and incorporated an intercooler.
This sports car was known as the “930” model and remains a legend. In 1987, a Targa and
a Cabrio joined the Coupe.
After a production break of two years, a new 911 Turbo was again offered in 1991, based
on a new 911 platform dubbed “964”. It retained the 3.3-litre engine, which had been upra -
ted to 320 hp. In 1993, Porsche modified this model, enlarging displacement to 3.6 liters
and increasing power to 360 hp. In 1995 the next generation, “993”, was released and set
new standards in sports car manufacturing. The 3.6 liter engine made 408 hp with the help
of twin turbochargers, accelerate from zero to 100 km/h (0-62 mph) in 4.3 seconds, and
on to a top speed of 293 km/h (182 mph). For the first time, it made use of an all-wheel
drive system adapted from the 911 Carrera 4.

speednme

To add..in 1991 A new 911 Turbo(plus a 94 3.6 Turbo) was introduced. Many including the factory referred to it as a 964 Turbo(that is the internal code)..in 96 there was the 993 Turbo(that is also the internal code)..in 01 there was the 996 Turbo(again an internal code) in 07 we got the 997 Turbo(again internal code) and now we have the 991 Turbo(again internal code.....ALL THE CARS that I just mentined are 911 TURBOS!!!!!! yet many refer to them by there internal type code. That is done to differentiate the models. An owner is NOT WRONG if he uses the internal type number.

Cityguy you must have some sort of condition that doesn't allow this information to penetrate..You can't seem to accept that there is no wrong answer to the OP's question....

cityguy

Copy/paste what you will. Blah blah blah... that has nothing to do with that matter at hand. You have not made any point in your favor with that very lengthy history. That verbiage does not make make your case one iota.

Where above does it say that 1980 to 1989 are 930 cars. It does not. I am not arrogant. I am right. You are really very obtuse and wrong.

Let's skip the name calling and let us see you post some facts the that 1980 to 1989 911 Turbos were sold as 930 cars.



You remind me of colleagues where, when the law is against them they yell the act. When the act is against them they yell the law. When everything is against them they just yell.

You lose with this post which says nothing relevant, in fact it proves my point that 1975 to 1979 were the only 930 cars named as such.

cityguy

So?

Referring is personal. Naming is that job of the manufacturer. Porsche, Ing. named the car as of 1980 with a change to--> 911Turbo.

The reference to an internal code is not the name of the car.


Call yours what you want but it is a 911 Turbo.

I call my car what it is called by Porsche Ing. not by its internal code. Porsche called it, statement of originated it, and people title them properly as a 911Turbo



Yes there is--> Yours.

The car since 1980 is a 911 Turbo

...with many iterations with which you try to explain away your incorrectness.


Refer to your car as yellow eyes for all I care. It is however a 911 Turbo