What's the market like for an M491???
#31
Rennlist Member
Here's my ex-'89 M491 G50 cab in Steingrau that I sold in 2011 before "the bubble", a 33K mile one-owner car when I bought it, 35K miles when I sold it. Only 54 of these were USA-spec cars.
Had it been a coupe I would still have it - forever. I'm just not a cabriolet guy which is why I let it go.
I'd LOVE to have Adams' silver coupe (my favorite color, love the duck!) but the GT3 will have to suffice for now.
Had it been a coupe I would still have it - forever. I'm just not a cabriolet guy which is why I let it go.
I'd LOVE to have Adams' silver coupe (my favorite color, love the duck!) but the GT3 will have to suffice for now.
Anyway, I understand the 'not a cabriolet' guy completely. Have had a couple in the past (not M491's) and never could warm up to them. I think you have one of the best coupes of any type out there.
Seems that rarity of the M491 coupled with 'nearly' universal appeal atop the narrow bodied counterpart will always boost value. There are some - me included - who actually don't love the turbo cars' complexity, weight, heat, maintenance.
For those reasons, and attempting to remain faithful to the OP, I believe that the M491 adds 40% to the value of the comparable narrow-bodied sibling. For a G50 car, 50% bump.
#32
My recent purchase turns out to be a M491 that had traded paint on the track and was cheaper to put narrow body rear panels instead of factory wide. Anyone know where I could source original/aftermarket M491 rear quarters and any other parts? My search brought me here.
#33
Rennlist Member
That must have been a pretty bad fender bender. You'd have to change the chin spoiler, front quarters, rockers, rear quarters, and rear flares at the very least to change the car to a NB.
Do a search for Turbo body parts instead of M491. You'll find a much better selection that way.
Here's a start - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ront-rear.html
Do a search for Turbo body parts instead of M491. You'll find a much better selection that way.
Here's a start - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ront-rear.html
#34
Here's my ex-'89 M491 G50 cab in Steingrau that I sold in 2011 before "the bubble", a 33K mile one-owner car when I bought it, 35K miles when I sold it. Only 54 of these were USA-spec cars.
Had it been a coupe I would still have it - forever. I'm just not a cabriolet guy which is why I let it go.
I'd LOVE to have Adams' silver coupe (my favorite color, love the duck!) but the GT3 will have to suffice for now.
Had it been a coupe I would still have it - forever. I'm just not a cabriolet guy which is why I let it go.
I'd LOVE to have Adams' silver coupe (my favorite color, love the duck!) but the GT3 will have to suffice for now.
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/de...w&pageNumber=3
#35
Hi Norbert!
Thanks for the update. Is that a realistic price for the German market?
Ray
Thanks for the update. Is that a realistic price for the German market?
Ray
#37
Intermediate
My personal car
My personal car is for sale here.
http://www.mwcarline.com/vehicle-det...d4c2ecbd4d019/
It's got over the top documentation in two 3 inch binders from the time the original owner ordered it at the dealership. It's a two owner car. Only issue was a minor carfax due to transporter creasing the front two fenders. I have the front two fenders also to go with the vehicle.
http://www.mwcarline.com/vehicle-det...d4c2ecbd4d019/
It's got over the top documentation in two 3 inch binders from the time the original owner ordered it at the dealership. It's a two owner car. Only issue was a minor carfax due to transporter creasing the front two fenders. I have the front two fenders also to go with the vehicle.
#39
Do you still have this M491?
Can't figure out how to PM someone, so trying to reach out to Adams to see if you still have the M491? If so, I'm interested. Please reach out to me. George at ACP911 dot com.
Thx.
Thx.
On the brink of selling my 85 911 M491.
Silver, black sport seats (leather with 'Porsche' lettered cloth.) 65k miles, absolutely completely serviced at Porsche dealer (engine out reseal and much, much more).
Original paint except for rock chip spray to valance. I added ducktail, painted to match. Saved OEM turbo tail (hung on wall as art!) OEM steering wheel, OEM Blaupunkt Monterey. Clean everywhere. Ice cold AC.
Has Certificate of Authenticity, books, tools, records. Needs nothing. Get in and drive. PM if interested.
Silver, black sport seats (leather with 'Porsche' lettered cloth.) 65k miles, absolutely completely serviced at Porsche dealer (engine out reseal and much, much more).
Original paint except for rock chip spray to valance. I added ducktail, painted to match. Saved OEM turbo tail (hung on wall as art!) OEM steering wheel, OEM Blaupunkt Monterey. Clean everywhere. Ice cold AC.
Has Certificate of Authenticity, books, tools, records. Needs nothing. Get in and drive. PM if interested.
#40
Your M491
Rob,
im a new owner of a M491/M470 1987 Carrera. If you have some time to chat I'd loke to pick your brain a bit.
Thanks,
Tim
614-456-8723
im a new owner of a M491/M470 1987 Carrera. If you have some time to chat I'd loke to pick your brain a bit.
Thanks,
Tim
614-456-8723
Troy, I appreciate your observation that such-and-such a car just doesn't "move" you... well said. While I would like to believe that buying and selling Porsches is strictly a non-emotional, fully-objective enterprise, it certainly isn't for me. I'll freely admit to an "emotional" aspect to these cars... some sing to me and some don't... I suspect I'm not alone in this.
That said, while mileage is important (to a degree), there are other - and more important - considerations that affect price... a lot. Condition and history are more important drivers of price than mileage... at least to me. Having said all that stuff to help me self-justify my present Porsche-life, I'll say that my TL scratches all my Porsche itches: First, it's a coupe (my personal favorite in the wide bodies), completely - and verifiably - damage and accident free, wearing mostly original paint (I had a high quality respray of hood, bumper, valence and mirrors), documented history back to the first oil change, I have personally visited (via e-mail and phone) with all the previous owners, engine converted to 3.4 a few thousand miles ago by Bill Brewster (Brewster Porsche, San Clemente, CA), careful refreshment of interior (new carpets, door panels), many, many new seals, sills, other rubber bits, and sunroof seals. All that stuff. 111,500 miles. Five shows, five wins.
$65,000 wouldn't buy it.
Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/rfpd30...57648991024725
Rob
That said, while mileage is important (to a degree), there are other - and more important - considerations that affect price... a lot. Condition and history are more important drivers of price than mileage... at least to me. Having said all that stuff to help me self-justify my present Porsche-life, I'll say that my TL scratches all my Porsche itches: First, it's a coupe (my personal favorite in the wide bodies), completely - and verifiably - damage and accident free, wearing mostly original paint (I had a high quality respray of hood, bumper, valence and mirrors), documented history back to the first oil change, I have personally visited (via e-mail and phone) with all the previous owners, engine converted to 3.4 a few thousand miles ago by Bill Brewster (Brewster Porsche, San Clemente, CA), careful refreshment of interior (new carpets, door panels), many, many new seals, sills, other rubber bits, and sunroof seals. All that stuff. 111,500 miles. Five shows, five wins.
$65,000 wouldn't buy it.
Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/rfpd30...57648991024725
Rob