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Old 05-17-2015, 08:33 PM
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Hello guys.
I have a 1986 911 Carrera and sometimes, it randomly refuses to start. It's been going on for quite a while and it's driving me nuts. My battery is new, the DME is new, I have a new alternator as well.
Here is what's happening: I drive the car for a month without any problems. I stop somewhere, turn off the car and when I get back in, nothing. I put the key in, the radio comes on, everything seems fine, but when I turn the key the engine doesn't turn over.
I have to have someone push me and I start the car in second gear. Then it works fine for a while.
I had an old Clifford alarm and I had it removed thinking this was the problem but it happened again 5 weeks after that.
Has anyone dealt with this type of issue? I will really appreciate any help.

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Old 05-17-2015, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by oprevot
Hello guys.
I have a 1986 911 Carrera and sometimes, it randomly refuses to start. It's been going on for quite a while and it's driving me nuts. My battery is new, the DME is new, I have a new alternator as well.
Here is what's happening: I drive the car for a month without any problems. I stop somewhere, turn off the car and when I get back in, nothing. I put the key in, the radio comes on, everything seems fine, but when I turn the key the engine doesn't turn over.
I have to have someone push me and I start the car in second gear. Then it works fine for a while.
I had an old Clifford alarm and I had it removed thinking this was the problem but it happened again 5 weeks after that.
Has anyone dealt with this type of issue? I will really appreciate any help.

Olivier
The solenoid in your starter motor is failing intermittently so that the gears are not engaging to turn the engine over. You need a new starter motor. (Probably.)
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Good point Terry. I had the car up on a lift last week and I didn't think about checking the starter. The car starts without hesitation (I mean, when it starts at all). I will clean the wires and solenoid first. Thank you very much for your input.
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Nvmd... Need to learn to read... Lol
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Has to be the starter, espiecally if you can push start it.
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Originally Posted by Starbuckslova1
Has to be the starter, espiecally if you can push start it.
yup .

OP have yours rebuilt or convert to a high torque starter.
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If you go to the trouble to take it out to mess with the solenoid, just get a new high torque starter. Also saves weight.
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Did the problem exist prior to the new battery, DME, and alternator?

This may be unrelated to your problem, but I once chased down a similar-sounding problem for nearly a year on my '85. Intermittently, like one out of 10 times: Key to on, I hear a fuel pump, everything works, then when I turn the key to the start position, nothing would happen. Once I hit this 1/10 failure mode, I was stuck until I waited it out for a long time, or ... I found that hooking up jumper cables for a jump start would make it start immediately every time (no need to wait at all for the charging to proceed). I cleaned every related electrical contact I could find, replaced ground straps, tested starter components, and I forget what else.

Anyway, it turned out to be a faulty Optima battery that was less than a year old when the problems started. I could not believe it. But after replacing the battery (on warranty), the problem never occurred again.

Just a data point to consider.
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Originally Posted by oldskewel
Did the problem exist prior to the new battery, DME, and alternator?

This may be unrelated to your problem, but I once chased down a similar-sounding problem for nearly a year on my '85. Intermittently, like one out of 10 times: Key to on, I hear a fuel pump, everything works, then when I turn the key to the start position, nothing would happen. Once I hit this 1/10 failure mode, I was stuck until I waited it out for a long time, or ... I found that hooking up jumper cables for a jump start would make it start immediately every time (no need to wait at all for the charging to proceed). I cleaned every related electrical contact I could find, replaced ground straps, tested starter components, and I forget what else.

Anyway, it turned out to be a faulty Optima battery that was less than a year old when the problems started. I could not believe it. But after replacing the battery (on warranty), the problem never occurred again.

Just a data point to consider.
wow intermittent shorted cell

that is super rare ..
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Could also be a ground strap issue, on further contemplation, or the "yellow wire" having a continuity issue. Odds are highest, it would be the starter, as a "wear item".
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Ground strap on tranny?



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