Amber Gramps

In light of my 23109C "exhibition of speed" ticket where the officer says he "saw smoke coming from both rear tires" I'm curious as to how much horse power would be needed to smoke my tires?

I have a bonestock 3.2 w/74,000 miles that has never been out of the car. I have good Toyos on my 16x7's.

I know the stock 214rwhp isn't going to do it, but what do you think it would take???

This is a serios question.

In addition....How much cash would it take to build the motor to thepoint of smoking the tires...

Ed Hughes

I inadvertently dropped the clutch a bit too quick leaving a stoplight once next to Mark Wilson when he had his SC. I had horrible wheel hop, which I think is a 911 trait. I'll never do it again. Maybe someone else can chime in as to whether they've experienced this or not. Stock 911's would struggle to do what your cop saw from a dead stop.

Obviously, the 60% rear weight bias is going to work against us if we wanted to smoke tires.

Now, at speed around corners on a track, is a different story, one can break the rear end loose to their advantage.

I still say you need Marisa Tomei's character from "My Cousin Vinny" to be an expert witness......

Amber Gramps

Someone else said I was using the "My Cousin Vinny" defence...I guess I gotta get that movie.

84_Carrera

Aside from the obvious hotness of her in that purple getup...

Wait there's mo-ah! & Are you suuuuuure? are two of the best New Yawk lines in the movie.

As for "smoke", I highly doubt it's that possible without a waterbox & someone who likes abusing their car. There's a calculator somewhere online that'll give you a reasonable guess as to slip point of the tires based on tire width / street / strip compound & tq at whatever rpm you're launching from. I don't know how scientific it is, but a simple demonstration with your car at the courthouse would be enough to disprove it.

g-50cab

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showt...260064&page=51

Peter Zimmermann

So much for that request...

Ed Hughes

I was sincere in the first portion of my reply. I do not think I can burn rubber in the "muscle car" sense of the word. Wheel hop is a huge issue, and I don't recall seeing traction bars for 911's in the Summit catalog I got last month.

Jeremy: Teo's car is not a good example of a stock 911!!

g-50cab

Its the only 911 I would consider "burning rubber in" Beefed up G-50 6 speed. Coil overs and instant throttle response (and torque) of a ITB 3.9 engine. Lighter than stock.

Actually Douglas - you can probably burn rubber in your car - get some nice 800 UTOG 195 width tires on the rear (older is better) - pump em up to 45 psi. throw some bleach on the ground. Get the revs up to 5,000 rpms and drop the clutch. That should get you some smoke at least. Works better on smooth concrete. Being you have a G-50 to start - at least it is less likely to grenade like a 915.

Peter Zimmermann

LOL! Oh, I know that - I was referring to the silly picture of the blue car, which couldn't have left that much rubber with a 400 hp Chevy motor in the back! And it would never have maintained "the burn" over the bump in the parking lot...

Muscle cars with big hp only had as little as 35 or 40% of their weight over the rear wheels - no way that you won't light those tires up. But 911s (1) don't have much low-end torque or hp, and (2) with 60% of the weight over relatively wide sticky tires, there's no way that you're going to do a serious, tire-smokin' burn out.

Ed Hughes

Hmmm....maybe Pete can dress up in a mini-skirt and high heels, and take on a heavy NY accent, serving as an expert witness?

Amber Gramps

Pete, it's time to get the glasses out....I see no Chevy motor. I see a set of Webers on a 3.6....but who am I???

EDIT: Sorry Pete, now I get it. It couldn't have done the burn even with a chevy, not that it has a chevy.

g-50cab

I don't know guys - Keith and the boys at Zuffenhaus are not the type to stage pictures -

Tippy

Douglas, I can only do it in second, not first in my car - no boost.

Mine made 427 to the wheels with 1 bar of boost and a single turbo on a G-50 3.2L.

Ed Hughes

I believe those pics to be legit. They should be for a car that cost that much to build. It was the subject of an ongoing thread on Pelican during its Genesis. No expense was spared....probably one of the premier street legal early 911 "hotrods" ever built.

rusnak

Hey!! That guy is wearing Mona Lisa Vito's shoes !!